Tuesday, January 20, 2009

DO YOU THINK THE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES AND POW ABUSES HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED BY THE UNITED STATES?

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 Current debate over the ethics of war has in part been prompted by the American invasion and its ongoing presence in Iraq and the war on terror. For centuries, philosophers and leaders have tried to make rules for resorting to armed force and waging war. To obtain and maintain widespread moral support, a government strives to demonstrate that it is waging a 
just war. Today, however, many people in the United States and around the world question whether American policy has violated ethics of war. 

On September 11, 2001, terrorists hijacked four airplanes and crashed them into different targets in the United States. Thousands of Americans lost their lives. Most Americans wanted justice and punishment for those responsible for organizing the attack. The Al Qaeda organization was soon identified as the guilty party. After the Taliban government of Afghanistan refused to give up Al Qaeda's leader, Osama Bin Laden, an American-led coalition intervened to force a change in the government of Afghanistan. The 
George W. Bush administration promised to prevent future attacks by taking preemptive action against America's enemies. In March 2003, the United States organized an invasion of Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Arguing its case before the United Nations (UN), the Bush administration's justifications included the presumed existence of weapons of mass destruction and links with Al Qaeda. The invasion and its aftermath has revealed no evidence of these charges and caused many to question whether the Iraq War was a just war and whether it had violated ethics of war and international law on a systematic basis. Opponents and supporters of current American policy are divided over issues ranging from justification for the invasion of Iraq to treatment of prisoners to civilian casualties. 

Invasion of Iraq
Title: George W. Bush announces commencement of Iraq War
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The Bush administration justified its invasion of Iraq in March 2003 by citing UN resolutions dating back to the Persian Gulf War of 1991. These included resolutions requiring Iraq to give up all weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and to allow inspectors free access to verify that fact. On November 8, 2002, Resolution 1441 was passed by the UN Security Council ordering Iraq to comply with earlier resolutions. The Bush administration cited this resolution, and Iraq's failure to completely comply, as justification for an invasion. Other countries—including France, Germany, Russia, and Syria—disputed this interpretation, believing that 1441 did not automatically give any country the right to use force. Countries that supported the U.S. interpretation included the United Kingdom, Spain, and Italy. 

Following the invasion, investigations failed to show any ongoing Iraqi program of nuclear, biological, or chemical weapon research. They also did not turn up ties between terrorist groups and the Hussein regime, implied by the Bush administration as justification for invasion. Opponents of the war in the U.S. Congress and around the world have used the non-existence of these weapons and terrorist ties as proof of an unjust war. However, the administration has cited such accomplishments as the end of Hussein's dictatorial rule, a new Iraqi constitution, free elections, and the promise of rights to the Kurdish minority as signs of a successful regime change. 

Treatment of Prisoners
Title: Soldier menaces an Abu Ghraib detainee using a dog
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Documented treatment of some prisoners taken in Iraq and in the war on terror are also considered by many as violations of ethics in war. At Abu Ghraib Prison near Baghdad, photographs and videos revealed that some prisoners were tortured and humiliated by coalition forces with methods that violated the Geneva Convention. As a result, 17 American soldiers were removed from duty and dishonorably discharged from the army. Seven soldiers were convicted by courts martial and sentenced to prison terms, some as long as ten years. Additionally, the commanding general of the prison, Janis Karpinski, was demoted to colonel. Disciplinary actions were intended, in part, to demonstrate that the United States did not condone such treatment of prisoners; nevertheless, the images and stories that emerged negatively impacted America's image. 

Title: Troops escort detainee at Guantanamo naval base
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Stories also surfaced of prisoners—many of whom were suspected members of Al Qaeda—tortured at the Guantanamo Bay facility. The U.S. government has denied that these detainees have rights under American law. Instead, the Bush administration claimed they were enemy combatants, as if they belonged to organized military units. Prisoners have been subjected to interrogation methods ranging from sleep deprivation to extended periods of cramped confinement. The most notorious method used has been waterboarding, in which the subject is restrained on his back while his face is covered by cloth and water is poured on it. Intended to give the victim the sensation of drowning, waterboarding can result in pain, lung damage, and injury to the brain from oxygen deprivation. A public debate over whether waterboarding is torture took place. The Bush administration and other defenders of such methods asserted that the interrogation of enemy combatants allowed authorities to prevent a number of terrorist attacks. In February and March 2008, Congress passed a bill to prevent the use of extreme interrogation tactics and restrict CIA interrogation methods to those authorized by the U.S. Army Field Manual FM 2-22.3. 

Civilian Casualties
Many believe just war standards require a nation to use force that is proportionate to the results it hopes to achieve. The United States has been criticized for the large number of Iraqi and Afghan civilians who have been killed in the fighting in the respective countries. According to the nonpartisan group Iraqi Body Count, by May 2008, the number of Iraqi civilians killed since the invasion just over five years earlier was around 90,000—a figure based on reports from the media, hospitals, morgues, nongovernmental bodies, and government offices. Civilians have been killed by terrorist attacks and sectarian violence and by American military forces. Insurgent and Al Qaeda attacks have often been aimed at easy civilian targets, such as the March 27, 2007, truck bombings in a marketplace in Tal Afar that killed 152. American weapons such as laser-guided bombs have been used to kill insurgent leaders but may also kill and injure nearby civilians. As in any war, mistakes can be made by troops on the ground, resulting in civilian deaths by gunfire. Supporters and opponents of the American invasion continue to argue whether long process of establishing stability in Iraq after the fall of Hussein made the United States ultimately responsible for civilians killed by insurgents. 

Outlook
Title: War protest, September 2007
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Whether or not the United States has failed to observe ethics in war continues to be a hotly debated issue. Consequently, it has divided the American population. Opponents of the Iraq War in Congress have demonstrated their position with public statements and attempts to block funding for the war. Increasing numbers of ordinary Americans have demonstrated against the war. In the election of 2006, dissatisfaction with the conduct of the war contributed to defeat for many Republicans in Congress who had supported the invasion. Many voters were unhappy with the progress of the war in Iraq under Republican direction, and wanted a change in leadership. The issue has also played an important role in the 2008 presidential campaign. Sen. Barack Obama has touted his vote against authorizing an invasion while criticizing Sen. John McCain for his early support. Opinion polls show that many Americans rank the war as a top concern when considering for whom to vote. 

Questions over the conduct of the Bush administration in pursuing the war in Iraq and against terror has also affected American standing around the world. Many people around the world polled by Zogby International view the American activities since 2003 as those of a self-proclaimed superpower for whom international law and custom have little meaning. They fear that American policy may have become based upon a sense of entitlement and unilateralism. As a result, recent military actions intended to increase national security may have contributed to an increase in terrorist activities around the world. Ironically, any failure to observe the ethics of war may have cost the United States one of its greatest weapons: the ability to cite the justness of its cause. 

47 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

nicole mcelfresh
period 4


Quite frankly i don't think it's even about what happened on september 11th or not. about out freedom. none of that is true.
It's all about whose going to win the war and thats all they care about. It shouldn't be that way. Honestly, i don't think the civilian casualties and pow abuses have been justified by the united states. Americans dont live for that anymore. We are disreguarding the rules and really fighting for no reason. it's sickening that we're still over there.
i think we should just let them be their own country and we'll be ours.
because they arn't listening to us, and we definitely arn't listening to them. this war is headed nowhere fast.

January 20, 2009 at 5:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Derrek Bost
Period 4


I think that POW abuses and civilian casualities have been justified by the United States because even though we have done some bad things, they did worse things to us. The soldiers that were captured were probably tortured worse than we did to them. They also bombed inoccent civilians, we bombed soldiers but with some civilians around, it was not ment for them to die.

January 21, 2009 at 5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jasmine Taylor
1/21/09
2nd, World History Honors
Blogspot
I don't think we are doing our jobs as americans. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." is what an admired John F. Kennedy quoted some years ago. Should we not eat, sleep, and breathe that statement as americans, in our everyday lives?

January 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mae Alvidera
pd 4

Honestly, i don't think the civilian casualties and pow abuses have been justified by the united states. How CAN this be justified if everyone's just fighting? Seriously, creating damage to other countries would just make it worse. Why? Because of human nature; everyone wants revenge. Also, day after day, each country is trying to make weapons that would cause more damage, which WILL conclude in self-destruction. Makes me wonder what countries are doing to make it BETTER; looks like nothing to me.

Reflection on Article:
The U.S. definitely has so many issues with other countries. Also, the soldiers doing that? I thought they were there to help us, not show the world that this country has people who torment prisoners by humiliation (I'm glad the one who did do that received punishment for it). Hopefully, Obama can turn things around, because if he doesn’t, then destruction is heading our way.

January 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Giovanni J. Lopez
period # 3

First this war that is going on right know is not only about what happen in septembre 11. The United States army should come back to America because we can't own their country. There are a lot of people in that country that are dying for no reason. Lets just owned our country that is the one who respond to us. Those people have family too, jus like one of us. Imagine that you are one of those person ... what would you do.. how would you feel...? So my opinion is that the civilians casualities and pow abuses are not being justified by the Unites States.

January 21, 2009 at 9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wesley Hundley
P4

I think that the American government justifies pows abuses and civilian casualties. And I think that it is wrong that they do that because it just shows that were not as a great country we used to be. We should be the an example instead of just acting stupid and trying to get revenge. All it has brought is problems and death. The government should stop these people from abusing the innocent. And focus on our own problems at home.

January 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that what the U.S did to the civilians over in iraq was not justified. I can of course understand why they did it, but i do not feel it is justified. innocent people over there who did not have anything to do with the terrorists, who in fact wanted the government there to change and were thankful the soliers were there, were killed out of the anger and rage of our soldiers. Our good soldiers who are supposedly from one of the most ethically good countries in the world, killed innocent people because they were angry. Not cool.

January 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bryan Vargas
Pd:6

I think that abusing innocent people that are prisioners is wrong and the U.S. Military should not do that because they dont know wether those people are civilians or bad guys. The government should take this problems very seriously and cerafuly cause not everyone that you fight against is a bad guys and we do not want to torture or kill the wrong person for revenge because that is just going to lead to more serious problems later ahead when the their people find out we did this to them. When something like this happens should not be dought with fighting but peace cause that shows that we are not bad people to other countries around the world.

January 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BRITNEY PADILLA
JANUARY 22,2009
WORLD HISTORY 4TH PERIOD

I BELIEVE THAT CIVILIAN CASUALTIES AND POW ABUSE THE POWER THAT THEY ARE GIVEN. IN MY OPINION I THINK IT IS A HOLE BIG EGO THING. (HAHAH)IT HAS ABOUT 85% TO DO WITH THE SAFTY OF THE PEOPLE, BUT THE OTHER 15% HAS TO DO WITH JUST WINNING AND GETTING GLORY. I FEEL THAT WE NEED JUST TO DO MORE AND PEOPLE IN CHARGE NEED TO STEP UP THEIR GAME. ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HOW AMERICAN SOLDIERS ABUSE PEOPLE IN CAPTIVE DISGUSTS ME. WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THE ALL GREAT AMERICA AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE AMERICAN ... WHEN WE DO THIS TO OTHER COUNTRIES HOW DO WE LOOK ?!?!?!

January 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jazmyn Streams
PD.6

Civilian casualties are going to happen no matter how many techniques we come up with. Because we are used to seeing the civilian casualties and know that along that long journey of war after war there will be a couple hundred does not imply that we have justified it. Also, power abusers have stepped out of there place although, in many situations america does go to extreme tactics to get useful information out of teerorist. Knowing that the terrorists go out their way to terrorize our lives who's to say that we cannot give them a taste or two of their own medicine. Example: September 11, 2001. I don't think the civilian casualties and power abusers have been justified by the United States.

January 22, 2009 at 7:14 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

Sarah Kinney
Period 2

No matter what, life cannot be without war. If we didn't have war and hate there would be no balance for the peace and love, nor would we appreciate it. All of this crap going on is so stupid. NO LIVING THING DESERVES TO BE TORTURED! There is no justification for what they are doing whatsoever.

January 22, 2009 at 7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natasha Sheomangal blk6

i think that we should all write letters to the government telling them that we should stop all this stupid fighting for revenge and killing so much innocent people. we should instead try to get along with the people and like try to make our lives and their lives easier. i think that we should all just try to build schools for the children over there and send them some medical treatments and more clothing and food and try to talk to them about not fighting with eachother. tell them send a message out telling them that fighting is wrong and it is just making our lives more harsh. because of all of this we are losing our families and friends. we need to stop right this minute. i mean threatening the innocent people with dogs and beating them to death wont help with anything its just making it more worse. also because of that its making the people of iraq and israel and other countries mad and they would want to keep fighting us and soon the world will be full of blood and dead people because americans dont want to listen they just want to keep tortureing the people and hurting them and causing more problems for our country and theirs too. thats what i think mr wilson we should write letters to the governor of america as a class or school to help this problem to stop.

January 22, 2009 at 7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris Jones
Period 1

The inceident on september 11th in my opinion i think haven't been justified. I think our troops over in iraq should stay there and fight in the battle because if they come back then iraq is going to take advantage of that and bring the war closer to us. all the casualities are goign to happen and it doesn't matter what techniques we are using or coming up with.

January 22, 2009 at 10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Javier Suarez
Pd.2

Americans are not justified to the casualties and abusing of civilians. It's not the people's want or need for war. It's the government's; economy's need. Being a somewhat stable and powerful country (compared to others) doesn't give us the right to do as we please. There are many innocent people out there and we must be as cautious as possible around them.

January 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michelle Burke
Pd.6

Yes i think it is right because if we don't other places will think we are weak and think they can rule us, so if we don't show them that wre strong theres a good possibility that they will think that there as strong as us and create more problms.sure wars will not stop they have been qoing on for many years now.Does it give us the right to threaten innocent peolple the way we do? No, but we can't think that way when it comes to pertecting outselves can we. Just because they look innocent does'nt always mean they are, it's always better to be safe than sorry.

January 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Katlyn Elbon
Period: 6

It's one thing to go to war with a country because they did you wrong. But to do something to people that we have captured and doing something to them that we stand so strongly against, such as torturing prisoners. A thing we stand so strongly agains. We shouldn't be such hypocrits about what we make our country up to be.

January 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beatriz Fraga-Gomes!
Period 2

In my opinion the United States has not justified there civilian casualties and prisoner of war abuses. It's one thing to try to get information out of a person, but to actually have to an interrogation lead to torture is wrong and inhumane. And then to harm civilians which, to the U.S knowledge, have nothing to do with trying to stop terrorists is wrong. It is not okay to kill some who is innocent. Yes, there can be accidents, but according to how many helpless civilians that have been killed, there have been to many “accidents.”

January 24, 2009 at 12:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maria Ortega
Pd:2

I think that the civilain casualties and pow abuses have been justified by the United States. I think that the way they treated the prisoners isnt right. Even though they are bad they should treat them like that is just cruel.I also think that we shouldnt be in this war. I still dont even know why we are really in this war. Around 90,000 civilians have been killed some that are maybe bad guys and many that are not and thats just not right to those whose are not.

January 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

justin preston
3rd period

i myself do not like the idea of torturing people basically just because they are people. but just because i dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work. i do think that in some cases it is alright to do. for instance if the person is a terrorist and you know it for sure then it is alright but if you are not really sure then it is not right to do. that is basically what i think about torturing people.

January 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vicmariel Colon ♥
PD.2

You know, sincerely, I don't approve of the United States being in Iraq in the first place. But I don't think that the civilian casualties and POW abuses have been justified in the United States. I don't think that we should stoop down to the enemies level and do the things that they did... because if we torture prisoners as they do... then aren't we just as monsterous as them? We have to show Americans that if we're going to fight in a war, we're going to, at least, show some decency and class, and fight with morals that our Country's Fathers have written on paper. And at the end of the war, at least we can say that we fought a CLEAN fight. But at the same time you have to ask yourself... is there such a thing as a clean fight... a clean war?

January 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thomas tomko
3rd period

How can we have ethics about something so primitive and barbaric as war in the first place?
It seems to be contradictory if you think about it.
How can we have morals and rules about slaughter and chaos?
If we are going to invade a country we should have the technology to adequately scan for nuclear and weapons tech.
this way we can try to avoid civilian areas and lower causalities if possible
Innocent civilians shouldn't be harmed in the barbarism and ensuing chaos created by 2 world powers trying to kill one another.
If anything I believe ones who start and lead wars should be the ones to fight and suffer not the thousands and millions of innocent citizens taken captive,killed in cross fire ,and killed in other ways than listed that might be to gruesome too be posted on the blogspot.

January 25, 2009 at 1:28 PM  
Blogger Devin Powell said...

Devin Powell
Period 4

I don't believe that anything regarding the war is justified at all, either by the United States or any other state. The Bush administration has explained to the public that the primary objective of the war in Iraq is to find weapons of mass destruction. Although there was no evidence that WMDs existed, we invaded anyway, and still found nothing. Even if it were justified, we have no reason to remain in Iraq now that we have confirmed there are no WMDs, so why do we continue to stay?
In my opinion, the Bush administration had at least two purposes for invading Iraq. One reason is for oil. Until recently, we have been suffering from soaring prices of oil, and because transportation (of people and products) rely heavily on oil, the prices of many products have risen, causing inflation and a recession. If the Bush administration were to control Iraq, the United States would have large amounts of access to oil. This is by no means an excuse for an invasion, which is why this was not listed as a justification.
The second reason is to assert the United State's dominance over other countries. Many people view the United States as a world power, but now we are viewed as the bullies of the world. How long will it take before we alienate every country?
This brings us to the main reason we haven't pulled out of Iraq yet: our status. If we pulled out of Iraq as soon as we confirmed there were no WMDs, we would look like hypocrites. Every nation would loathe us (more than they already do) if we were to leave Iraq in anarchy. Yet by remaining in Iraq, we have cost the United States billions of dollars in taxpayer's money.
I apologize for straying off the main topic, but I felt it was necessary to analyze the Bush administration's unjustified justifications.

January 25, 2009 at 1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeslyn Camacho
pd.6
I don't think that they did justify. The people want revenge. But the war is about who is better and who will win. I don't like it when they torture people fot hings that they didn't do. It's not there fault that there fault that the leaders did that.

January 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Garrett Brough
per2

We should pull out of this war with Iraq as soon as possible (that is if Obama keeps what he said true). The civilans have had enough of being afraid if they were going to stay alive or not.90,000 civilans have already died and for what a terrirest org.? If we pull out now the civilans might thank us for doing so.

January 25, 2009 at 2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Starsea Rodriguez
Prd: 3

I honestly do not know whether my answer would be yes or no that Civilian Casualties and Pow abuses have been justified. We were attacked and so in reply many times we attack back. Alhtough, there always has to be a good reason why and a limit to our actions. What occurred on September 11 was a HORRIFIC site. Thousands of innocent children and people died. And for what were we attacked for? This is why terrorist groups like AL Qaeda should be found. Ofcourse, we will always have our ways of doing so, but as long as our forms don't go to an extent. No one likes being tortured, but it's not like we have the worst ways. Every country, everyone, have their own ways and maybe even worst.

Although, there is something that always comes to my mind. That is that AL Qaeda bases is said to be in Afghanistan, but why are we still in Iraq. We left our major reason and goal when we had the chance to find them all for Iraq. Yes, Iraq was in bad conditions, but what was our purpose for actually going there in the first place. That would be to find Al Qaeda from another country near by.

January 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gabriel Maldonado
4th period

I agree with Nicole, I don't think this is about freedom or the 9/11 attacks. Our administration this is what is gonna help us win this war. If president Obama keeps true to his words, we should be out of Iraq within a year and a half. This fighting within the middle-east and the Islamic communities have been going on for several centuries now, so It's obvious that we should have never have gone into the middle east to begin with.
Look on the bright side, they have no weapons of mass destruction. LOL.

January 25, 2009 at 3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

imani walters
p.4
well honestly yes i do think the prisoners and such should get a punishment if they deserve too but at the same time i think america is a little too rebellious and is all about getting there way sometimes like for instance george bush shouldnt have let all these people at war i think thinks would have been much better but who knows at the same time if someone didnt do ANTHING than they dont deserve harsh punishment so therefore its not right.

January 25, 2009 at 6:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jonathan Alvarado
Period 3

I think that the prisoners should be left alone and that America should get out of Iraq. That is not their country and they are not guilty , the ones that should pay is the taliban and alqaeda group. Torturing those prisoners is wrong.

January 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do believe prisoners should get a punishment only if they deserve to be punished but i honestly don't think it's about freedom I believe that we shouldn't be at war and Barack Obama should be true to his words and we should pull out but I believe that prisoners should only get a punioshment if they deserve it truely.

January 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe that the United States has not justified there civilian casualties and prisoner of war abuses. I think that we as citizens do not want to wage war as it's the idea from the government for war. All they want to do is demonstate how much power we have as a country in which our government doesn't show any concern for are troops neither for our Americans who lost there lives during the September 11th attacks

January 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alyssa Samonte
Pd.2

War is war in my eyes. I dont think the Bush administration was perfectly fine. We should take extreme measures if needed to protect our country.We need to leave every one alone and worry about our own problems.Maybe with our new "President" things will "change".

January 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

amanda fanfan
per.2
i think that its best to let other contrys do what they want of course without killing us, but the U.S gets in everyones suff and we care more about what everyones else is doing that we forget yoursefls and how much better will life be if everybody was happy with what they have.

January 25, 2009 at 7:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

personally i think that POW abuses and civilian casualities have been justified by the United States because even though we have done some bad things, they did worse things to us. The soldiers that were captured were probably tortured worse than we did to them. They also bombed inoccent civilians, we bombed soldiers but with some civilians around, it was not ment for them to die.
and i just think that we did the united states did justify...and this is my opoinion....

michelle torres 5th period

January 25, 2009 at 8:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

walter hueck
2nd
the civilian casualties and pow abuses have not been justified at all by the United States.i already dont agree with the US for being there so long.I believe that no matter what u did,no human being should be tortured and shamed in front of the public eye.there is no justification for such behavior and i expected better from the U.S.There is just no more honor in wars between opponents,by this i dont mean that i like wars it's actually the opposite.This was wrong and we should pull out ASAP.

January 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nicholas gonzalez
period 2

i don't think the civilian casualties and pow abuses have been justified by the united states because of all this fighting .. we are just messing up the countries that we are fighting. but i think that we should do what ever we need to do to survive as americans

January 25, 2009 at 8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kiana Chan
Pd. 4

September 11th and many other attacks have just proved..this war sounds like revenge..it must be hurting more and more civilians evryday who havent even asked for it..i think that if we lower the death rate from what it is now...these civilans will thank us in the long run...as for the torture...i think
"as long as their are ruthless criminals , there should be ruthless methods"..i agree with this statement in saying that this war is a waste of money, time, but right now their is nothing we can do, i guess we have to wait it out... But by torturing people, for information..thier should be limits! I'm not saying its bad because by all means its okay in my perspective. Lets step up our game guys..we are AMERICA duh lets show them what were all about..you go OBAMA! lol =]]

January 25, 2009 at 8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amanda Lund
pd. 2

Torturing is never a way of justice. I mean torture can be acceptable in certain circumstances like to gain information from terror suspects, that could result in saving innocent lives. But are there better measures that would secure the same information? Do we have to follow in their footsteps and do what they do or is there a better solution? Therefore, the civillian casualties and POW abuse have not been justified.

January 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amanda Figueroa
period 5


wars in general sound like revenge because of what one country did to another...so this war now is worthless.it must be hurting civilians evryday who havent even asked for this to happen, but the torture i think that torturing people for information should have limits! I'm not saying its bad because all the time because at times i understand we need to do it...but not to the point that we are almost killing them.belive me we can do with less deaths going on in the world.

January 25, 2009 at 11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alex Serna

Period 4

No, i personally do not believe civilian casualties and POW abuses have been justified by the United States. I do believe the United States trys to get information out of terrorists in victims by threatening them but not actually giving orders to "waterboard" on people. That is an uncivilized and barbaric act and should be stopped. Its great that we are trying to get information to help us out but most likely we are getting useless information and there is no need to go overboard as in "wasterboarding" on victims.

January 25, 2009 at 11:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael Castilloveitia
period 3



I think that the American does not justifies pows abuses and civilian casualties.I think what we do is wrong because it just shows that were not such a great country like we used to be. We are coming into this war with revenge and all it has brought is problems and deaths. we should stop abusing people so much and be some what nicer.we should also focus on our own problems in our counrty we dont need to invde somones elses home cause its not ours to do so.

January 25, 2009 at 11:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Melvin Ramos
p.6

i beleive torcher is not the way to get info out of the prisoners. there should be another way that does not effect them fisicaly or mentaly. we should make a difference and not do what the enemy does to prisoners.

January 25, 2009 at 11:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daniel Amèzquita
2nd Period

To begin with, I think that the reasons given to try and 'justify' the war were completely false. But if an unjustified war wasn't enough I think that trying to justify the tortures and civillian casualties is an insult to the world's intelligence. In my opinion, what's done is done, it may not be right, but they shouldn't come up with fake excuses to try and justify it.

January 26, 2009 at 12:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alexander Perryman
Period:4

Me personaly I think torture is both good and bad. Its good because it can save the lives of human beings everywere with the information that the detainie says. Its bad though because of the code of ethics that the United States puts out, and if we are discovered as using tortue then that might ruin the reputaion of the U.S.

January 26, 2009 at 12:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jonathan cardona
p2
1/25/09


Civilian casualties are going to happen no matter how many techniques we come up with. Because we are used to seeing the civilian casualties and know that along that long journey of war after war there will be a couple hundred does not imply that we have justified it. I think that the way they treated the prisoners isnt right. Even though they are bad they should treat them like that is just cruel.I also think that we shouldnt be in this war. I still dont even know why we are really in this war.The government should take this problems very seriously and cerafuly cause not everyone that you fight against is a bad guys and we do not want to torture or kill the wrong person for revenge because that is just going to lead to more serious problems later ahead when the their people find out we did this to them.

January 26, 2009 at 1:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alyssa Rivera
Pd. 4

I think the POW treatment was horrible. As American soldiers they represent the United States and its ethics, by torturing and humiliating the prisoners those soldiers made the US look cruel. What happened to the prisoners was disgusting and harsh, if it would have happened to the US soldiers then we would all be outraged, but since theyre enemies it's okay?

January 26, 2009 at 7:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jordan Griffin P.4

I think POW abuses and civilian casualties have been justified because when they capture our soldiers most of the time they behead them, and we don't do that we hold them prisoner. Also when we bomb we aren't trying to kill innocent civilians they really don't care.

January 26, 2009 at 7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Valeria Moctezuma
Period 3

Torture is not even close to being justified when it comes to innocent civilians being put in danger. The united states is being complete hypocrites when you think about it. We are supposed to be the country of peace and the one everyone in poor countries would dream to live in. But they are acting like every other country when they torture just to get information. We have technology for that. That is why criminals get caught for breaking the law because of TECHNOLOGY. We don't go around threatening to behead the criminals family members if they don't give us information on where they are. So why should we torture innocent people for information?

January 27, 2009 at 9:10 PM  

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